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#60: Carnivore Diet, Supplements, and LE Shooting Studies

Rob and Charlie discuss various topics, including MTI's new gym in Ogden, to his experiences with the carnivore diet and insights on supplements. They also delve into a study on shooting performance in law enforcement, with insights surrounding law enforcement shooting proficiency, the application of stress in shooting training, and the difficulties faced by part-time SWAT teams. Rob and Charlie also discuss topics covered in the MTI Brief, including the housing crisis in affluent ski towns and measures taken locally to solve for it.Interested in training with us at our facility in Ogden, UT? Email emmett@mtntactical.com
'Mindful Hunter' Notes on Supplements
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#59: Am I Still an Athlete? w/Brian & Dan

In this conversation, Rob Shaul, Brian Reed, and Dan Stuewe discuss various aspects of fitness and the identity of being an athlete, particularly in the context of military service and coaching. They explore the evolution of fitness training, motivations, and how personal experiences shape their definitions of athleticism.
The discussion also touches on the importance of leadership in promoting fitness culture and the intrinsic versus extrinsic motivations that drive individuals to maintain their health and fitness.The speakers discuss the intersection of military duties and personal athletic goals, emphasizing the importance of maintaining fitness and skill development as they age. They explore how their training has evolved over the years, the significance of discipline and resilience in their athletic pursuits, and the need to adapt their training methods to accommodate physical limitations. The conversation highlights the value of outdoor adventures and the continuous pursuit of personal fitness objectives, even in the face of aging.
 
Still in the Game: Being an Athlete at 55+
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#58: Ogden Gym, Denali, and the MTI Brief

Rob and Charlie discuss the establishment of MTI's new training workshop in Ogden, Utah, focusing on innovative training methods and the integration of lab rats for testing. Rob shares insights on polar training for older athletes, balancing strength and endurance, and highlights the journey of athlete Wyatt as he prepares for a challenging ascent of Denali. The conversation also introduces new members of the MTI athlete team and reviews a case study on ACL recovery, emphasizing the importance of comprehensive training during rehabilitation. Additionally, Rob and Charlie discuss 'The MTI Brief', a new email newsletter focused on bringing interesting insights, research, and news that are applicable to tactical and mountain athletes.

#57: Military Fitness, Ranger School, & Transitioning out of the Army

In this conversation, Rob Shaul and Brian Reed discuss the evolution of fitness and training for military personnel, particularly focusing on the importance of endurance, mobility, and nutrition as they age. They explore the H2F program, the significance of qualifications like the Ranger tab, and the transition from military to civilian life. Brian shares insights on crisis leadership from his experiences in combat and emphasizes the mindset of an athlete, regardless of age. The discussion also touches on the role of AI in enhancing decision-making and the importance of having a purpose in training.

#56: Command Sgt. Maj. Brandon Riley - The Realities of Senior Enlisted Leadership

In this episode, Rob Shaul speaks with Command Sgt. Maj. Brandon Riley, currently serving as the senior enlisted leader for 3-66 Armor Battalion, 1st Armored Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division. Riley discusses the real work of a battalion CSM—managing standards and discipline, mentoring company-level leaders, and maintaining unit readiness. He explains the dynamic between officers and NCOs, the balance between garrison and field responsibilities, and the internal pressures of holding a formation together. Riley also reflects on his combat deployments, leadership mistakes, and what two decades in the Army have taught him about accountability, influence, and the role of the senior enlisted.

#55: Utah MTI Fitness Lab, Ranger School Updates, & Zone 2 Sled Drags

Rob and Charlie discuss the establishment of a new fitness lab in Ogden, Utah, focusing on programming and training for athletes. They explore the target audience for lab rats, updates to the Ranger School Training Plan, and the implications of Ranger tabs on leadership and bias within the military. 
Rob covers innovative training methods for uphill movement, focusing on recent research and testing of sled drags. He shares insights from his personal training experiences, including the benefits of extended sled drags for strength and endurance. The discussion also covers the integration of zone two endurance training with strength work, emphasizing the importance of aerobic capacity for tactical athletes. 

#54: Gravel Racing, Training, and Ultra Running with MTI Athlete Jonathan Edwards

In this episode, I sit down with Jonathan Edwards, a tech consultant and elite ultra marathon runner based in Sandy, Utah. We discuss his experience racing the Belgian Waffle Race in Scottsdale, Arizona—an intense 104-mile gravel race with nearly 7,900 feet of elevation gain. Jonathan shares insights into race strategy, gear selection, and overcoming technical challenges on the course.
Beyond cycling, Jonathan talks about his transition back to ultra trail running, his upcoming races—including UTMB and Speedgoat 50K—and his training philosophy for endurance performance. He breaks down his nutrition and hydration strategies, his approach to balancing trail running and cycling, and the importance of lactate threshold testing and zone-based training.
If you're interested in gravel racing, ultra running, or optimizing endurance training, this episode is packed with insights and expert takeaways.
Topics Covered:
Belgian Waffle Race Recap: Course conditions, challenges, and performance breakdown
Bike and Gear Selection: Choosing the right setup for gravel racing
Tire Strategy: How tire choice impacts speed and traction
Power and Race Pacing: Managing effort across a long race
Fueling for Endurance: Jonathan’s approach to carbs, hydration, and in-race nutrition
Transitioning to Ultra Running: Upcoming race plans and training block
UTMB Preparation: Key strategies for tackling 100+ mile mountain races
Lactate Threshold and Zone-Based Training: How Jonathan is optimizing his endurance
Guest Bio:
Jonathan Edwards is an ultra marathon runner, endurance athlete, and tech consultant based in Sandy, Utah. A former road marathoner (2:44 PR), he has transitioned into ultra trail running, completing races at 50K, 50-mile, 100K, and 100-mile distances—with multiple top 10 finishes and a race win. He also incorporates cycling and strength training into his routine for a well-rounded endurance approach. Jonathan is currently training for UTMB, one of the most prestigious ultra marathons in the world.
Episode Highlights:
[00:00:00] The Belgian Waffle Race Overview: Course details, elevation, and challenges
[00:11:13] Race Strategy and Gear Selection: Tires, bike setup, and power pacing
[00:22:34] Nutrition and Hydration Strategies: Managing fuel intake for an 8+ hour effort
[00:26:08] Transitioning to Trail Running and Future Goals: UTMB training and lactate threshold testing
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#53: Strength, Endurance, and Performance: Coaching Insights from Chris Judy

In this episode, I sit down with Chris Judy, an elite strength and endurance coach with experience in rugby, obstacle course racing, and high-level endurance training. Chris shares his coaching journey, from building a strength program for the University of Utah Rugby Team to training world-class OCR athletes and personal training at high-level gyms like Equinox and Ultimate Performance.
We dive deep into balancing strength and endurance, developing resilient athletes, and building training programs that produce real-world results. Chris explains his approach to coaching, injury prevention, and performance tracking—including why grip strength separates winners in OCR, how to train for max power output in rugby, and the best endurance tests to track aerobic base.
If you’re a coach, athlete, or someone looking to optimize your training, this episode is loaded with practical takeaways and expert insights.
Topics Covered:
Chris’s path into strength and endurance coaching
Training the University of Utah Rugby Team
Strength and conditioning for rugby players
How he built world-class OCR athletes
Why grip strength determines success in obstacle racing
Balancing strength and endurance in training
His favorite training protocols for endurance athletes
Plyometrics for injury prevention
Lessons from coaching at Equinox and Ultimate Performance
The most common mistakes trainers and coaches make
Guest Bio:
Chris Judy is a strength and endurance coach with deep experience in rugby, OCR, and endurance sports. He has trained University of Utah rugby players, Spartan World Championship winners, and worked at Equinox and Ultimate Performance, specializing in elite personal training and athlete development. His expertise spans strength, endurance, power development, and injury prevention, making him a highly respected coach in the performance training space.
Episode Highlights:
[00:02:15] How Chris started coaching and developed his training philosophy
[00:10:30] Building a rugby strength and conditioning program from scratch
[00:20:05] Strength benchmarks for rugby players and why durability matters
[00:28:50] Coaching an athlete to an OCR World Championship win
[00:35:45] Grip strength training for OCR and why it’s crucial
[00:45:10] Balancing endurance and strength training effectively
[00:52:30] Using plyometrics for injury prevention
[01:05:40] Lessons from Equinox and Ultimate Performance
[01:15:20] The most common training mistakes coaches make
[01:25:00] Lightning Round Q&A
Resources & Links:
Follow Chris Judy: @ChrisJudyTraining
Learn more about OCR and Rugby Strength Training: www.chrisjudyperformance.com
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#52: From Pro Baseball to Tactical Fitness: Strength & Conditioning Insights with Michael Schofield

In this episode, I sit down with Michael Schofield, a former MLB strength coach turned tactical performance specialist. Schofield spent over a decade in professional baseball, working with the Arizona Diamondbacks, Atlanta Braves, and New York Mets before transitioning to first responder fitness.
 
We dive into how training differs across pro baseball, police, and fire academies, the biggest programming mistakes coaches make, and why simple, effective training always wins. Schofield shares his approach to strength assessments, work capacity programming, and injury prevention for tactical athletes.
 
Whether you’re a coach, athlete, or first responder, this episode is packed with practical insights on building strength, durability, and mission-readiness.
 
Topics Covered:
Breaking into pro baseball strength and conditioning
The grind of coaching in the minor leagues
Differences between training MLB players and minor leaguers
Transitioning from pro sports to tactical athletes
Strength and conditioning for police and fire academies
The best fitness tests for first responders
Why simple training is the most effective
Work capacity training for tactical athletes
Strength programming: Wendler 5/3/1 for trap bar deadlift
Mistakes coaches make with tactical athletes
 
Guest Bio:
Michael Schofield is a former MLB strength coach and current Director of Public Safety Health and Performance for the City of Aurora, CO. He runs Performance Code, designing strength and conditioning programs for first responders. Previously, he worked as a Major League Assistant Performance Coach for the New York Mets, the Minor League Strength and Conditioning Coordinator for the Atlanta Braves, and a Minor League Strength Coach for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Schofield has experience developing athlete management systems, return-to-play protocols, and performance programming for both professional athletes and tactical professionals.
 
Episode Highlights:
[00:02:00] Breaking into pro baseball S&C and early struggles
[00:10:45] The reality of coaching in minor league baseball
[00:18:30] Strength training at the MLB level vs. minor leagues
[00:27:15] Why Schofield left pro sports for first responders
[00:35:10] The best fitness assessments for police and fire academies
[00:42:00] How he programs trap bar deadlifts using Wendler 5/3/1
[00:50:30] The biggest mistakes coaches make with tactical athletes
[00:58:15] His favorite work capacity protocols for tactical fitness
[01:06:20] Building fitness culture in first responder units
 
Resources & Links:
Follow Michael Schofield: [@performancecode](https://www.instagram.com/performancecode)
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#51: Alpinist Training, V-SUM Climbing, and Outdoor Leadership with MTI Athlete Derrick

Rob Shaul and MTI Athlete Derrick, an active duty Air Force Officer based in Santiago, Chile, discuss Derrick's recent experiences with fitness assessments, particularly the Alpinist fitness assessment and the V-SUM for rock climbing. They explore Derrick's training progress, the outdoor culture in Chile, and the impact of military service on outdoor activities. The discussion also touches on leadership lessons learned from outdoor experiences and Derrick's future aspirations in outdoor sports.
 
Takeaways
Derrick recently took the Alpinist fitness assessment and found it challenging.
He has been focusing on endurance training to improve his aerobic base.
Derrick enjoys the new training program and has seen improvements in his performance.
The V-SUM has helped Derrick enhance his rock climbing skills significantly.
Outdoor culture in Chile is vibrant, with many opportunities for mountain sports.
Derrick has had mostly positive military assignments that allowed him to pursue outdoor activities.
He reflects on the importance of location in shaping outdoor experiences during his military career.
Leadership lessons from outdoor adventures, such as those from Shackleton, are valuable.
Derrick is considering future opportunities in outdoor sports after his military career.
He appreciates the balance between military service and personal passions.